2016/07/28 12:10 David Rousseau, “Systems Philosophy and the prospects for employing scientific general systems principles as the foundation of a systems worldview”, ISSS 2016 Boulder

Plenary @ISSSMeeting @Person, Keynote #isss2016USA, 60th Annual Meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences and 1st Policy Congress of ISSS, Boulder, Colorado, USA

Day 4 theme:  Systems Theory, Management, and Practice

Plenary VIII: Prospects for Scientific Systemic Synthesis

  • Description: Recent times have seen the emergence of new theoretical insights that may help to establish the frameworks, theories and methodologies we need to understand, design, build, explain, communicate about, utilize or operate, maintain, and evolve resilient and sustainable socio-ecological systems. In this panel we bring together experts to present on such emerging developments in the areas of engineering, science, research, practice and philosophy, and to reflect on how these different stands can contribute to the formation of a new systemic synthesis that will make the ‘whole systems perspective’ scientific and practical. The panel presentations will be delivered in the last plenary before lunch, and be followed by an open discussion between the panellists and audience in a break-out session immediately after lunch.

Chair: David Rousseau, Centre for Systems Philosophy

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David Rousseau, Centre for Systems Philosophy

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David Rousseau, Thursday plenary

Cumulative development of systems, across system

  • Developing and refining knowledge of systems

Would like to create a vision of GST

David Rousseau, Cumulative Development Of Knowledge

Science tries to answer 6 questions

  • Easier to make progress on later if do earlier first

David Rousseau, Cumulative Development Of Knowledge

Add questions

Cumulative development of knowledge

  • First describe
  • The machine models
  • Then evolution-devolution models
  • Finally, value systems

Articles from systems medicine and systems biology

  • If we could figure out the progress, would help with these

Invitation to continuing discussion over lunch


Connections, tensions, similarities?  Where’s my audience for the integrated systems view, e.g. in natural science, or for engineers.  Needs, characteristics to see potential?

  • Len coined discinyms, disciplinary synonyms
  • Have to overcome this, speaking the same language
  • Research agenda for systemology
  • Have made a start with that
  • Research agenda was produced as a list of questions

Key terms, seeing over and over.  Structure, patterns, purposes ….  Agree on the same set for systems scientists.  Please hurry up.

  • Ontology for systems science.

Normalizing the systems theory in political senses.  Statistics, show information, yet also hide due to linearity.  Real objective function isn’t more refinement, but normalize the decision-making process.  Closest in EU.

  • Parallel project in IFSR led by Mary Edson on Systems Research
  • From doing the research, through to the people using it
  • Started this in IFSR Conversation 2016 in Linz
  • [Troncale]  INCOSE chapter in San Diego, impact of systems science on legislation, government and policy

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