2016/07/29 08:35 Skyler K. Perkins, “Bringing Forth the Ecological Economy: Learning to be Eco-logical”, ISSS 2016 Boulder

Plenary @ISSSMeeting Skyler Perkins, Keynote #isss2016USA, 60th Annual Meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences and 1st Policy Congress of ISSS, Boulder, Colorado, USA

Day 5 theme:  Education, Communication, and Capacity

Plenary IX: Human Capacity, Communication, and Student Research

  • Description: Systemic Sustainability and Systems Literacy ultimately involve transformative changes at the personal and social level. What individual competencies are needed and how will student researchers navigate the treacherous waters ahead for ‘out-of-the-box’ thinkers? We emphasize the importance of integrated personal skills and effective collaborative and innovative networking to build transformative communities.

Chair: Pamela Buckle Henning, Adelphi University

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Pamela Buckle introducing Skyler Perkins, University of Vermont, as the Vickers Award winner

[Skyler Perkins]

My downward spiral into Cybernetic

  • Vickers education interrupted by war

Laws of Form, George Spencer Brown

  • I am myself with the world
  • Bringing myself forth with a mutual recursion

The holy trinity of cybernetics

  • Same
  • Difference
  • Same difference

See recursion in fractals

Interface theory

Heinz von Foerster


Where can this be applied?

  • Autopoesis to social systems
  • Inherence with observer, two states of the world

Challenge in formalizing this

  • Second order cybernetics fist into ecological economics

Ecological economics

  • Integrating ecology and economics
  • One world, another world, interaction

Constanza:  economy can’t grow indefinintely

Malgan (2010)

Economists saying the ecosystem is part of the economy; ecologists saying economy is part of the ecology

  • Recursion

Considering distinctions:

  • Putting value on the ecosystem, changes putting the value on the economy

Who is responsible for drawing these boundaries?

Deepak Malgahan, On the Relationship between Scale, Distribution and Allocation

  • In pursuit of optimal scale … but it’s recursive

Daly and Farley (2011) redefine the boundaries of the economy –> rdefines relative value of economy –> redefines …

How can you have sociological systems with defined boundaries, which can be combined with a another system

  • Embodying

Participatory action research, with agroecology in Brazil

  • 1600 Portuguese arrived
  • Now 90% of resources gone
  • Rio and Sao Paolo draw on ecosystem services, no longer functioning
  • Our task to come into context
  • Found pieces couldn’t work on their own
  • Ecosystem services have perverse effects, e.g. funding structure, value the farmers could provide to the forest
  • Socio-ecological actors

Farms:  Silvio grazing systems


Daly book.  Look at Panda methodology

Look at Howard Odum’s work

  • Man optimizes for growth production, nature optimizes for …

Why interest in cybernetics?

  • Second order understanding
  • How we can define objects
  • Dealing with different layers of description

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